And maybe we wouldn't have ever been driven to the fiscal cliff in the first place if all the folks on the Left that claimed they were moving to Canada if Bush won in 2004 would have actually done so.
Hey Zelda, Big&Mean and Jinxie: Clear out your guest rooms...if Texas secedes, we're packing up the Thule!!! :)
So it is the red states fault that blue state politicians are retarded? They are so stupid they support a progressive tax rate - while their state and local level compatriots do everything possible to drive up the cost of living.
So the middle class here in Northern NJ pays the same tax rates as rich people in those evil red states.
I wonder if Citizen J realizes that 90% of his food,energy, and other raw materials he takes for granted comes from the red states and the people who live there. Naw, shit just magically shows up on the shelves at the Whole Food and Neiman Marcus stores where he shops.
The idiot left that proclaimed their intent to run to Canada in 2001 and 2004 were just indulging in publicity seeking self aggrandizement. I did read about one twit who, with her husband, moved to Australia in 2004. She is happy there. Good for her. Wonder if she wants to move back now that her sort in the US have confirmed its road to perdition?
But a handful of Hollywood morons childishly prattling about leaving the country, which they do not do, of course – cowards that they are – is one thing. The left, and the Obama crowd itself, might just want to remember that the margin of victory was very slim, and much of that was the result of get out the vote efforts, lots of petulant conservatives not voting or voting for losers out of spite, and what appears to be outright fraud, not braod aupport by thoughtful people for Obama's vision of a "radically transformed" Amerika. He has no landslide mandate like Reagan had.
Secede? Been there and it did not turn out well.
Be kicked out? Ha! A-nony-mouse sputters his prattle, but Bassnote makes a good point.
And even in an Obamunist Confederation, the Obamunists need to realize that even in Washington, the Democrat barely squeaked into the governorship. If there were a secessionist movement, about 2/3 of the state, east of the Cascades and much of the Olympic peninsula, would go with the United States of America. Perhaps half of Oregon. And a chunk of northern California. What would be left to them? The vast sucking of welfare dependant populations, cities ready to collapse, and the self immolating leftists themselves crowded together wondering why their "City on a Hill" has turned into a village on a dung heap.
When will we finally get to the point that people will have to quit blaming Bush for all that's wrong with the world? How many CIC orders has Bush given over the past 4 years?
You can believe whatever you want, Jim. I have no problem putting it to the test. The blue states have had the advantage of an industrialist history. You idiots still do, and simply don't appreciate the infrastructure. So put your money where your mouth is. Let us secede and we'll see how long our industrial advantage lasts with your progressive taxes.
I don't think it will be necessary to secede from the union. Patience will show that if we wait long enough the festering cesspool cities of the north and the left coast will collapse in on themselves. We only need to hold the food for ourselves...and when the food supplies run short....well, as the song says, "Country Boys Can Survive". I'll be out hunting and fishing and my family will get by just fine while in the inner cities, after all the convenience stores have been robbed out and cleaned out....well...Obama will save you I suppose.
I have personally kind of seceded. I have decided to quit voting. It seems the majority of American people are too mean spirited, blindly partisan, and ignorant to deserve my active support in the country the person/party they elected now runs. If (as it appears) the conservatives in America are stupid enough to let the liberals have the country again after the first four years of Obama, they don't don't deserve my support either. Fight it out among yourselves. After Obama's reelection, I have decided to quit participating. I will, however, continue to take advantage of all the benefits of American citizenship. I guess I am now a reluctant liberal..... If there is ever again a reason for me to vote, someone who will say and do what needs be be said and done, I will consider it. But sadly, I doubt I'll live that long. I'm glad I had all the most wonderful years of the most wonderful country ever to exist.
The Tax Foundation numbers just go to prove that the Red states are the better places for businesses. From my (admittedly quick) reading of the numbers in the Tax Foundation paper it appears that one of the main items that tips the inflow of money towards the Red states is the government procurement and salaries columns. It makes more sense to locate government facilities, including military bases, in states where they can operate more economically. Also, businesses that have a lower local and state tax burden can offer better prices to the Federal Government and will have higher sales. So, if the Blue states set up their government, and the Red states set up their government, the UBSA will quickly be asking the URSA for a loan or, more likely, a bail out.
Nobody is going to secede because the secessionists don't have the numbers and the issue was decided 150 years ago via 600,000 corpses anyway. That said, the country is badly divided again. The conservatives need to decide if it is best to dig our heels in further and fight the Marxocrats every step of the way and just go over the cliff or "compromise". I am leaning toward going over the cliff because if the Marxocrats are left unchecked, they will destroy the economy anyway. As Zelda has pointed out, it is of paramount importance that the Republicans handle the situation in such a way that the Marxocrats own the blame.
I'm glad Jim posted the link, I want to dig into the numbers a little more and see if they're including every dime that a state receives. Much of this falls under the Gelman Paradox when you start identifying the red state-blue state correlation.
And where do you think the poor democrats (those who drag down the red states bottom line) are going to migrate to when they find out the free lunch is over. Goodbye democrats and hello to an economic engine blasting into overdrive. People making under $30K a year typically vote for the democrats at the 60+% range, so all those rednecks and undesirables the left is always turning their nose up at will be their new neighbors.
Over the last forty years red states have averaged an annual real output growth of 3.4% compared to blue states, and real per capita growth rate on personal income has grown 2% per year in red states v. 1.8% per year in blue states. Red states offer a much more relaxed environment in which to do business as well. So, push us out, please. I'm 100% certain we'll land on our feet and do just fine.
One thing that I don't understand about the conservatives/Republicans that are signing the petitions: They have to give their name, email and zip to the White House. That is why I didn't sign, besides not being into silly displays of emotion.
3M has closed its last production facility in blue Minnesota. New production facilities are in red states, from what I understand. I know several companies have moved their facilities from red Minnesota to Blue South Dakota. This is consistent with what Hoss says. I am definately in Big D's camp. I'm sure Enemas will be happier in his red state.
My 7:36 AM comment has red and blue turned around in the last four sentences. This senile old geezer obviously commented in too much of a hurry too early in the morning!
Ok, all malice and snarking aside, isn't everyone curious as to what the best policy is? Wouldn't you want to try the grand separation experiment? What do we have to lose? We can mutually agree to protect each other in case of an attack, but why not try out the different economic policies separately?
Zelda: We already have it. We call it state's rights. The job is to reduce the size and scope of the Federal government. That means we have to send the Marxocrats packing.
327 comments:
1 – 200 of 327 Newer› Newest»It sure would be easier to balance the budget without our moocher red states.
And maybe we wouldn't have ever been driven to the fiscal cliff in the first place if all the folks on the Left that claimed they were moving to Canada if Bush won in 2004 would have actually done so.
Hey Zelda, Big&Mean and Jinxie: Clear out your guest rooms...if Texas secedes, we're packing up the Thule!!! :)
So it is the red states fault that blue state politicians are retarded? They are so stupid they support a progressive tax rate - while their state and local level compatriots do everything possible to drive up the cost of living.
So the middle class here in Northern NJ pays the same tax rates as rich people in those evil red states.
I wonder if Citizen J realizes that 90% of his food,energy, and other raw materials he takes for granted comes from the red states and the people who live there. Naw, shit just magically shows up on the shelves at the Whole Food and Neiman Marcus stores where he shops.
"Maybe it's time people in the Blue states considered kicking them out."
How dumb can you be? THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT!!!!!!
And, take their income taxes with them!
The idiot left that proclaimed their intent to run to Canada in 2001 and 2004 were just indulging in publicity seeking self aggrandizement. I did read about one twit who, with her husband, moved to Australia in 2004. She is happy there. Good for her. Wonder if she wants to move back now that her sort in the US have confirmed its road to perdition?
But a handful of Hollywood morons childishly prattling about leaving the country, which they do not do, of course – cowards that they are – is one thing. The left, and the Obama crowd itself, might just want to remember that the margin of victory was very slim, and much of that was the result of get out the vote efforts, lots of petulant conservatives not voting or voting for losers out of spite, and what appears to be outright fraud, not braod aupport by thoughtful people for Obama's vision of a "radically transformed" Amerika. He has no landslide mandate like Reagan had.
Secede? Been there and it did not turn out well.
Be kicked out? Ha! A-nony-mouse sputters his prattle, but Bassnote makes a good point.
And even in an Obamunist Confederation, the Obamunists need to realize that even in Washington, the Democrat barely squeaked into the governorship. If there were a secessionist movement, about 2/3 of the state, east of the Cascades and much of the Olympic peninsula, would go with the United States of America. Perhaps half of Oregon. And a chunk of northern California. What would be left to them? The vast sucking of welfare dependant populations, cities ready to collapse, and the self immolating leftists themselves crowded together wondering why their "City on a Hill" has turned into a village on a dung heap.
Bush "winning" with 2 unpaid for wars has driven us to the fiscal cliff.
Ala - Do you live in one of the divisions of Philly that voted 100% Obama? Those results are troubling on several levels.
When will we finally get to the point that people will have to quit blaming Bush for all that's wrong with the world? How many CIC orders has Bush given over the past 4 years?
Maybe Jim needs to revisit the WH website. There are petitions for all 50 states
You can believe whatever you want, Jim. I have no problem putting it to the test. The blue states have had the advantage of an industrialist history. You idiots still do, and simply don't appreciate the infrastructure. So put your money where your mouth is. Let us secede and we'll see how long our industrial advantage lasts with your progressive taxes.
I don't think it will be necessary to secede from the union. Patience will show that if we wait long enough the festering cesspool cities of the north and the left coast will collapse in on themselves. We only need to hold the food for ourselves...and when the food supplies run short....well, as the song says, "Country Boys Can Survive". I'll be out hunting and fishing and my family will get by just fine while in the inner cities, after all the convenience stores have been robbed out and cleaned out....well...Obama will save you I suppose.
I have personally kind of seceded. I have decided to quit voting. It seems the majority of American people are too mean spirited, blindly partisan, and ignorant to deserve my active support in the country the person/party they elected now runs. If (as it appears) the conservatives in America are stupid enough to let the liberals have the country again after the first four years of Obama, they don't don't deserve my support either. Fight it out among yourselves. After Obama's reelection, I have decided to quit participating. I will, however, continue to take advantage of all the benefits of American citizenship. I guess I am now a reluctant liberal..... If there is ever again a reason for me to vote, someone who will say and do what needs be be said and done, I will consider it. But sadly, I doubt I'll live that long. I'm glad I had all the most wonderful years of the most wonderful country ever to exist.
Sorry. *your industrial advantage.
Come and try to kick me out Jim. I beg of you. Come and try. I would own your soul and use it to wipe my ass.
The Tax Foundation numbers just go to prove that the Red states are the better places for businesses. From my (admittedly quick) reading of the numbers in the Tax Foundation paper it appears that one of the main items that tips the inflow of money towards the Red states is the government procurement and salaries columns. It makes more sense to locate government facilities, including military bases, in states where they can operate more economically. Also, businesses that have a lower local and state tax burden can offer better prices to the Federal Government and will have higher sales. So, if the Blue states set up their government, and the Red states set up their government, the UBSA will quickly be asking the URSA for a loan or, more likely, a bail out.
Nobody is going to secede because the secessionists don't have the numbers and the issue was decided 150 years ago via 600,000 corpses anyway.
That said, the country is badly divided again.
The conservatives need to decide if it is best to dig our heels in further and fight the Marxocrats every step of the way and just go over the cliff or "compromise".
I am leaning toward going over the cliff because if the Marxocrats are left unchecked, they will destroy the economy anyway.
As Zelda has pointed out, it is of paramount importance that the Republicans handle the situation in such a way that the Marxocrats own the blame.
Enemas is STILL trying to blame Bush. How pathetic can you get?
I'm glad Jim posted the link, I want to dig into the numbers a little more and see if they're including every dime that a state receives. Much of this falls under the Gelman Paradox when you start identifying the red state-blue state correlation.
And where do you think the poor democrats (those who drag down the red states bottom line) are going to migrate to when they find out the free lunch is over. Goodbye democrats and hello to an economic engine blasting into overdrive. People making under $30K a year typically vote for the democrats at the 60+% range, so all those rednecks and undesirables the left is always turning their nose up at will be their new neighbors.
Over the last forty years red states have averaged an annual real output growth of 3.4% compared to blue states, and real per capita growth rate on personal income has grown 2% per year in red states v. 1.8% per year in blue states. Red states offer a much more relaxed environment in which to do business as well. So, push us out, please. I'm 100% certain we'll land on our feet and do just fine.
...3.4% compared to 2.6% for blue states...
This should be fodder for healthy discussion. I think we all know this country is so divided it can never regain what it once had.
One thing that I don't understand about the conservatives/Republicans that are signing the petitions: They have to give their name, email and zip to the White House. That is why I didn't sign, besides not being into silly displays of emotion.
3M has closed its last production facility in blue Minnesota.
New production facilities are in red states, from what I understand. I know several companies have moved their facilities from red Minnesota to Blue South Dakota.
This is consistent with what Hoss says.
I am definately in Big D's camp.
I'm sure Enemas will be happier in his red state.
Most companies that engage in any kind of manufacturing these days put in new facilities or move current production to red states. Its no secret.
My 7:36 AM comment has red and blue turned around in the last four sentences. This senile old geezer obviously commented in too much of a hurry too early in the morning!
Ok, all malice and snarking aside, isn't everyone curious as to what the best policy is? Wouldn't you want to try the grand separation experiment? What do we have to lose? We can mutually agree to protect each other in case of an attack, but why not try out the different economic policies separately?
Zelda:
We already have it. We call it state's rights. The job is to reduce the size and scope of the Federal government. That means we have to send the Marxocrats packing.
Interesting that "historical advantage" is considered when you are part of the disadvantaged, but ignored when you aren't?
Nate, you're off in a field picking daisies with your brain again. What the hell are you talking about?
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